SPN Spoiler Policy

[moonshayde]

Because unfortunately, it needs to be said.

Please PLEASE place spoilers and commentary under cuts. Most of us spoilerphobes are bright and intelligent people and can guess what you're saying when you're being cryptic. Also, opinion and feelings DO spoil us. I know it sets me off big time and makes me anxious when I see people complaining about something I can't see. My mind spirals out of control wondering what is going on and I get really stressed. I shouldn't get stressed for TV :(

If for some reason you can't post this under a cut or feel you shouldn't have to, that's fine. Unfortunately, I will have to defriend you :(

Comments

[flynn-boyant.livejournal.com]

No fandom drama!
I'm all for that. :)

Hopefully, I haven't slipped up spoiler-wise. I really try not to because I know a lot of people who are not spoiler-friendly.

I'm also paranoid about icons. How long should I wait to use one from a recent episode, etc.

*hugs* Just cause, I haven't been online much and I miss you guys on my flist.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I don't think you've been spoilery. You're usually very good. And you've been like super absent lately too :(

Icons. Hmm. That's tough, huh? I usually wait a ridiculous amount of time. I still haven't used some S4 ones in my LJ since I know part of my flist is lagging behind. I just wanna use them bad *whines*

We miss you too!

[angst-driven.livejournal.com]

Glad you said something. I got spoiled today, and I didn't even know I cared until it happened. Maybe it's 'cuz I tend to join fandoms late, but this hasn't really been an issue for me before. It seems I shall have to be more careful about what I read from now on. : (

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Same here. I usually join fandoms pretty late myself. And I'm usually somewhat spoiler friendly. But not for SPN. I like the surprise.

So whenever something gets spoiled that I haven't actively sought out, I get testy.

[paper-tzipporah.livejournal.com]

OMG, it drives me NUTS when people post their reactions, uncut, RIGHT AFTER THE EPISODE AIRS. I don't even own a tv, so there's no way I can watch things fast enough to stay unspoiled. I don't even try to stay unspoiled, at this point, because trying just means I'll be more upset when I inevitably fail because I can't just stay off LJ until I watch the show.

[paper-tzipporah.livejournal.com]

Also, LOLZ I TOTALLY DID NOT GET YOUR ICON until I watched this season, and then I won an argument about the Sam + necrophilia thing with a friend, who looked really chagrinned about not having realized that Sam totally sleeps with dead people. And maybe has a death-inducing penis.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

Abd I totally love this icon you just used. It's too funny. Is it snatchable?

[paper-tzipporah.livejournal.com]

Hee, yes, it's by misty_creates.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I hate wincest and mpreg, but it's just too funny to pass up ;)

[paper-tzipporah.livejournal.com]

I...read everything. Even badfic, when I've run through everything else. But the idea of mpreg wincest happening like in the icon is pretty damn hilarious. If only because I'm sure there ARE badfics out there that are EXACTLY LIKE THAT, where, oh, Sam is overly fussy and anxious and Dean cries over the pregnancy test kit, or something.

Actually, I think it would be even funnier if it were just mpreg, no wincest. Like ANGEL BABIES, or something, but without any actual sex -- because when Castiel raised Dean from hell, he mucked with the works a little, or something. AND OH GOD PLEASE MAKE MY BRAIN STOP.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I can tolerate a "OMG! SQUEE!" type of reaction on my flist because well, that's doesn't hurt anyone. It's the cryptic I am being spoilery without saying so or harsh negative reactions that make me flail. Because then I start to worry and obsess and wonder what is so bad. It spirals :(

And that really sucks in your situation.

[lizardbeth-j.livejournal.com]

times like this I am glad I have a small SPN flist contingent, and everyone on it is pretty spoilerphobic too. Far less chance for spoilers/rumors to reach my spirginal ears.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

That must be heaven *dreamy sigh*

[powerof3.livejournal.com]

Hey. Rocks fall, everyone dies. ;)

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

No!

[paper-tzipporah.livejournal.com]

Yes, but do the rocks fall from heaven?

[carpenyx.livejournal.com]

It's totally the worse when you are spoiled when you don't actively go searching and really try to remain spoiler-free.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

Yes! You know, if I wanted to be spoiled that's different. But sometimes it's so hard not to.

[lierina.livejournal.com]

I feel exactly like you. I know there are huge spoilers floating around and I'm afraid to check my flist... I hate that some people post their reactions outside a cut because these reactions can almost be as spoilery as the spoilers themselves... and I also get stressed because my mind starts thinking about it even if I don't want to.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I know. it gets to the point where you are afraid to go anywhere on the internet, even your own journal.

I have no problem with people who want to be spoiled. Just please don't spoil the rest of us.

[jedishadowolf.livejournal.com]

I must be missing the big spoilers - which is totally ok by me, I'm really enjoying watching the show with no clue what's coming. Of course I have very few SPN fandom friends on the Flist so that helps.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

Be very very careful. Loose lips are everywhere on this.

[superbadgirl]

I don't get the spoil-me mentality. I don't want to be spoiled! All it does for me is make me miserable.

Once again, I am thankful to be an anti-social recluse.

[superbadgirl]

PS, I don't think people are nuts for loving spoilers, just that for me it sucks the enjoyment out of it.

Also, now I've been spoiled by someone on my flist about the spoiler that might just be a rumor, but who cares because now we all know. Grrrr.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

No way, really? After all of that and you still get spoiled? *sigh*

See, I don't care if it's a spoiler or a rumor. I just don't want to know. Because then people start speculating like made and you can't tell what is true and what isn't. Plus, I don't like my opinions colored before I have a chance to see for myself.

Just grr.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

ITA for the most part. Even when I am spoiled, I'm not spoiled, and it bugs me when people post episode reactions outside of a cut right after the episode airs, because it's likely I haven't seen it yet. Also, even if I *have* seen it, I like time to write out my own reaction (if I'm writing one) before I read what everyone else thought. I don't know why, but it's important to me not to be spoiled by other people's reviews until after I've had time to digest it a bit and think about what *I* thought.

Getting spoiled by the reactions and reviews of others is almost as upsetting to me as getting spoiled for the show. There are some shows I'm spoilery about and some that I'm not, but either way, I don't want to know details of the episode before I watch it and I don't want to know what people thought of it until I've written my own review.

But...but...but... *g* I have many people on my flist who dislike to read negative reviews or commentary, so I try to say whether I liked a particular episode or not outside the cut, so they can decide whether or not to read it. I understand that some people dislike this, but I can't please everyone, and I actually adopted this policy for those on my flist who would be upset by the perceived negativity and/or just wanted to avoid it entirely. Especially in the Stargate fandom, I know that some people on my flist found my episode commentary to be upsetting, and I'm not in fandom to upset people, so I try my best not to do things that upset people--within reason. Also, I knew they wouldn't read my review if it was negative, so if it was positive, I'd mention that, too, so they'd know it was safe to read.

OTOH, extreme reactions outside of a cut bug me. It's spoilery because then I know something big happened. Even if I'm partially spoiled for an episode, I'm probably not spoiled for the big things or details. Not just for SPN, but for all shows.

I actually think all details and *real* spoilery stuff should all be behind a cut even if the show aired years ago--such as Farscape. Many people haven't seen it yet (including me), and I've been avoiding spoilers for that show, until I can find a way to get my hands on season 1. *g* I know some of the basic plot points, but I know the details of only a handful of episodes, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Anyway, I'm sure I've goofed on this in the past, not to deliberately spoil anyone, but just because I didn't realize how certain things would be perceived until either I experienced it myself or someone complained. I'm always learning. OTOH, I'd agree with everything you have said here for the most part, so hopefully I won't be one of the ones spoiling you, though I really don't write about SPN all that often anymore anyway.

All this said, I'm pretty easy-going about the whole thing when it comes to me being spoiled, mainly because I'm addicted to LJ and I realize that others have differing views on what's a spoiler or when they can post things outside of a cut, and I don't know why, but nobody will follow all my rules. *g* hehe I realize I'm taking the risk by reading my flist, and if I *really* don't want to be spoiled on episode night, I just don't read my flist until I've seen the episode and wrote my review. I wouldn't unfriend someone over that.

Posting known spoilers before an episode airs, though, is just thoughtless. I don't think that anyone on my flist would make that mistake in a personal post. Communities have their own rules, and some that I belong to allow spoilers outside of a cut, and that's okay with me if I'm in that community voluntarily. If it were something I didn't want to be spoiled about, I'd just unfriend the community.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

It's tough because sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I know I don't want to read a negative review so I appreciate sometimes when peopel warn that it is going to be negative. But that's for episodes.

I *really* hate commentary on spoilers above cuts. because I get all worked up, you know?

Ah, can never win LOL

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

hehe This clarified it even more for me. I think I get what you're saying. It's fine to say, "I liked this episode" or "This is a negative review" outside of a cut, but not, "OMG! Spoiler! Doom! Gloom! Terror! Horrible spoiler behind the cut!" hehe

I totally get that, although that is probably one of the things I was guilty of in the past (distant past in fandom years *bg*), because I was just unaware and stupid. It's not something I'd do now, because I'm much more aware of spoilers than I was in the past, and respect that some people want to stay unspoiled *and* understand better what most people would consider to be a spoiler.

When I was first on LJ, though, I think it was easy to be confused sometimes. OS had a very clear spoiler policy as did TWOP, but there is no LJ-wide spoiler policy, because there's no boss of fandom here. *g* Because my first big fandom experience was mostly with TWOP and their spoiler policy was so clear-cut, that informed my ideas about spoilers. I think others are probably influenced by whatever the policy was wherever they were before LJ in addition to personal preference.

For instance, one of their rules was that once it's out in the mainstream media, it's no longer a spoiler. Obviously that doesn't work on LJ because some people here avoid the media precisely because they don't want to be spoiled, but when I was first on LJ, that might not have occurred to me.

In the case of SPN, I avoid even the previews of the next week's episode most of the time, because they totally spoil the episodes quite often. Even when I was reading the sides and everything, I was not spoiled for episode details or crucial moments. I was upset when the preview revealed that Sam was killed at the end of season 2, for instance. Can you imagine if the season 1 preview of the last episode had given away the car crash?

Each person's journal is like a completely separate forum, and each person has his or her own spoiler policies. I developed the way I handle spoilers in response to people on my flist and my own response to things other people did when I discovered they bothered me, and I didn't want to bug others in the same way. I'm always willing to refine it all, though. :-) There's always the odd chance that someone might post something outside of a cut accidentally, too, because the code for the cut messed up. That happened to me not that long ago. I *always* check the cut, and for some reason I just missed it that one time, and it only takes once. Luckily someone on my flist caught it right away and I was able to fix it.

Currently I'm pretty much completely unspoiled for SPN, although lyraeinne did tell me the new big spoiler (with my permission). hehe I like to know casting spoilers and things like that, but I don't like to know episode details. I am probably weird.

Also, re: Farscape: I really don't expect everyone else to adhere to my rules, because people often bring up Farscape stuff when discussing other episodes and it *is* an older show now, so I don't really get bent out of shape about it. OTOH, as much as I *really* wanted to read your reactions to Farscape, I didn't most of the time because I didn't want to be spoiled in that kind of detail. I'd love to go back and read them all once I've finally seen it, though, but I don't expect people not to mention it, because I'd have to go around reminding people all the time. hehe

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

It's really hard and there are so many layers and conflicts. I honestly don't mind someone seeing a spoiler and going, "omg squee!" over a cut. Usually. But even that can annoy me depending on the context. For example, if a Daniel/Vala shipper is squeeing like mad for an Sg-1 episode, I'm going to get upset because to me that means something must have happened in the spoiler/episode to warrant that reaction. So then again I am coming up with worst case scenarios.

So that is why I'd rather not know either way, preferably. I can easily be brought down.

I heard the new big (and unconfirmed) SPN spoiler and its shaken me. It's one of those things I would rather not know because now I am imagining worst case scenarios.

I think that is what it boils down to. I don't like to be spoiled because then I start speculating like bad and therefore the show (whatever show it is0 because this massively bad thing in my mind or conversely, I get so excited and hopeful that nothing can live up to my high expectations.

As for Farscape, I'm apparently think way way different than the fans of that show, so you might want to really wait on those. I'm very critical and I list what I liked as well as what I didn't. So there is positive and negative. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong though.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

Re: Farscape: I don't really know what I'll make of it. I tend not to like puppets and creatures that are so obviously fake, but one of the few episodes that I've seen and really liked is one that seems to be disliked by fans.

I don't mind if people disagree with me, though. :-) It doesn't bother me to read or hear opinions that differ from my own most of the time.

[dawnfirenight.livejournal.com]

I'm the exact same. I go through periods of spoiling myself, but I don't know what these big spoilers are yet. All I know is how fandom's been reacting to them, and...yeah, even having not much idea about what it could be, it still really stresses me out.

It's a good thing my flist is pretty low on SPN fans, I guess, and only a couple comms. But still. *wibbles*

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

Yup. I get stressed when I see fandom going nuts over something that I don't want to see. It's more stressful than the spoiler itself sometimes.

it shouldn't come down to that, though :(

[a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

gah to spoilers

[vella-amor-dm.livejournal.com]

i just can't understand how hard it is for people to be a little considerate. it's not like it takes effort to do and lj-cut

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I don't think people are doing it on purpose - though I had to cut a couple of people in the past who DID do it on purpose which just floored me. People get excited and want to state their opinion and most of the time it's not spoilery. Other times, er...big time.

[vella-amor-dm.livejournal.com]

ah ok - well i'm lucky that all my flisters cut :)

[lastwordslinger.livejournal.com]

Not sure if I was part of the problem on this one... The tiny sentence I posted outside of the cut was not directed at the spoiler beneath. It was directed at the fandom. Which, let's face it, freaks out every time someone farts crossways. I was merely commentating on the fact that I leave for a week and come back to find the fandom doing what it always does. I won't state my opinion on the spoiler because... well... that'd be spoiling you. But yeah, that comment I made was directed at the fans not the show. ;)

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

No, it wasn't you. I already knew by then so I knew what you were talking about when it was aimed at the fans.

it just irks me. I so would not like to have known about this one because now I am going to be on edge for whenever it is suppose to air. Which I dodn't even know. Bah.

[lastwordslinger.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know how you feel. I'd been trying to remain spoiler free until someone on my flist had a fit. Makes it really hard to ignore when people are laying eggs over it. -_-