Is Fanfic Worth It?
Dec. 2nd, 2008 01:25 pmI have a lot to do today since I slacked yesterday, but I am going to stop and talk a minute about fanfic (and I'll post those caps when I take a break later). I've talked about this before, but I'm going to again.
Disclaimer: This is just a reflective and conversational post. This is also not a debate on whether people should write fanfic or not. Also, this isn't meant to solicit encouragement or anything. I just like to talk :P
It's no secret I love fanfic. I think I always will. There is something satisfying and comforting in writing fanfic. Fanfic provides a unique sense of closeness to characters we know and love. Everyone writes or reads fanfic for different reasons, but that personal connection remains.
But I sometimes wonder, why should I bother? Is writing fanfic worth it?*
I'm not talking in terms of feedback. I won't deny that I love feedback and I'm disappointed when I perceive something as hard work and I don't get any. But I've been lucky in that aspect. I may have never been a BNF (Big name fan), but in SG-1 fandom I received a decent amount of feedback and recognition. It's not the same with SPN and I whine about it sometimes, but I still receive more than some people can say. And I've written a couple of Sv/Superman stuff, but nothing major. So is my question feedback driven? Likely in part, but not the main focus.
You spend months, maybe, on this complex story that you put tons of effort into. Then you post it online. Done. That's it. So was that time well spent?
Mind you, that isn't much different than publishing. You write a story. Send it to your editor. After revisions and what not, it gets published (online or in print). Done. That's it. Maybe some monetary compensation. But it's over. Time to move on.
So does worth then mean it's just monetary compensation? I'd like to think it's more than that. Most people know writing is not the field to go into if you want to be rich.
It has to be something else, then. I don't know.
I just wonder why? Fanfic is fun. I like it. I've become a better writer from it. And that is a good enough reason in and of itself.
However, I'm a writer in the publishing aspirations sense. While I've had a stories and poems published, I aspire to bigger things. I'm highly ambitious and have my mind set. That's just the way I am wired.
Every moment I sit writing fanfic is time that should be going to profic.
For some people, they can write both fanfic and original fic and pump out tomes of material. With everything else going on in my life, that's kind of impossible for me LOL
I promised myself a couple of weeks ago that aside from fics I owe people and a couple of projects I want to finish, I was giving up fanfic completely. The thing is I don't want to. But I can't see the value or worth in continuing it if, as an aspiring profic writer, it takes time away. Yet at the same time, it is an outlet and we all need outlets to help us manuver through life.
Finding balance would be ideal. I just wonder if I'm kidding myself and just using fanfic as a crutch.
I basically have two arguments in my head: write fanfic in moderation because it makes me happy; happy is a good enough reason vs. cut back significantly because it's getting in the way.
The true answer may be in the middle somewhere. Or, it could be an answer I don't want to hear.
I've gotten better at this over time, but it's still something that nags at me. I've cut back my fanfic writing like in half. Logically, my original fic should have doubled. (It hasn't.) That leads me to believe that fanfic isn't THE problem for me. It's something else. Still, I have to be careful.
Also, I'm not questioning the worth of fanfic in and of itself. (I think fanfic is great.) I am questioning it's worth in alignment with my goals.
I'm opening this up for conversation not just for me but for maybe some of you who might be wondering the same thing. What do you think? Do you have similair or different issues? Is this an non-issue to you? Are you an aspiring writer, a published writer, or 100% fanficcer? We all have different goals and different problems to face. Feel free to talk about them.
*Obviously, this is aimed at myself. People who don't want to write for publication might not have this problem and may have a different set of concerns. Some people might not have this comflict at all or don't care. So I am not generalizing for everyone here.
Disclaimer: This is just a reflective and conversational post. This is also not a debate on whether people should write fanfic or not. Also, this isn't meant to solicit encouragement or anything. I just like to talk :P
It's no secret I love fanfic. I think I always will. There is something satisfying and comforting in writing fanfic. Fanfic provides a unique sense of closeness to characters we know and love. Everyone writes or reads fanfic for different reasons, but that personal connection remains.
But I sometimes wonder, why should I bother? Is writing fanfic worth it?*
I'm not talking in terms of feedback. I won't deny that I love feedback and I'm disappointed when I perceive something as hard work and I don't get any. But I've been lucky in that aspect. I may have never been a BNF (Big name fan), but in SG-1 fandom I received a decent amount of feedback and recognition. It's not the same with SPN and I whine about it sometimes, but I still receive more than some people can say. And I've written a couple of Sv/Superman stuff, but nothing major. So is my question feedback driven? Likely in part, but not the main focus.
You spend months, maybe, on this complex story that you put tons of effort into. Then you post it online. Done. That's it. So was that time well spent?
Mind you, that isn't much different than publishing. You write a story. Send it to your editor. After revisions and what not, it gets published (online or in print). Done. That's it. Maybe some monetary compensation. But it's over. Time to move on.
So does worth then mean it's just monetary compensation? I'd like to think it's more than that. Most people know writing is not the field to go into if you want to be rich.
It has to be something else, then. I don't know.
I just wonder why? Fanfic is fun. I like it. I've become a better writer from it. And that is a good enough reason in and of itself.
However, I'm a writer in the publishing aspirations sense. While I've had a stories and poems published, I aspire to bigger things. I'm highly ambitious and have my mind set. That's just the way I am wired.
Every moment I sit writing fanfic is time that should be going to profic.
For some people, they can write both fanfic and original fic and pump out tomes of material. With everything else going on in my life, that's kind of impossible for me LOL
I promised myself a couple of weeks ago that aside from fics I owe people and a couple of projects I want to finish, I was giving up fanfic completely. The thing is I don't want to. But I can't see the value or worth in continuing it if, as an aspiring profic writer, it takes time away. Yet at the same time, it is an outlet and we all need outlets to help us manuver through life.
Finding balance would be ideal. I just wonder if I'm kidding myself and just using fanfic as a crutch.
I basically have two arguments in my head: write fanfic in moderation because it makes me happy; happy is a good enough reason vs. cut back significantly because it's getting in the way.
The true answer may be in the middle somewhere. Or, it could be an answer I don't want to hear.
I've gotten better at this over time, but it's still something that nags at me. I've cut back my fanfic writing like in half. Logically, my original fic should have doubled. (It hasn't.) That leads me to believe that fanfic isn't THE problem for me. It's something else. Still, I have to be careful.
Also, I'm not questioning the worth of fanfic in and of itself. (I think fanfic is great.) I am questioning it's worth in alignment with my goals.
I'm opening this up for conversation not just for me but for maybe some of you who might be wondering the same thing. What do you think? Do you have similair or different issues? Is this an non-issue to you? Are you an aspiring writer, a published writer, or 100% fanficcer? We all have different goals and different problems to face. Feel free to talk about them.
*Obviously, this is aimed at myself. People who don't want to write for publication might not have this problem and may have a different set of concerns. Some people might not have this comflict at all or don't care. So I am not generalizing for everyone here.
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Date: 2008-12-02 06:43 pm (UTC)I am an aspiring author, but honestly, I question that aspiration almost daily. Published or not I'll always write. It's my hobby, and I love doing it. But once published it seems like you're no longer a writer for love of the craft/art. You're a Pro - you have to market yourself because the marketing dept. at the publishing house can't focus on you solely, so now you're a writer plus an advertising agent. Then you have deadlines - what if writer's block gets in the way? You miss deadlines and that looks bad. Not to mention the monetary compensation doesn't really add up to the amount of time and effort you put in until you hit the big time and only a few of the many talented writers out there ever hit the big time.
Makes it real difficult for me to step away from the fanfic and focus on the pro stuff when the pro stuff appears more like headache and hassle than love and enjoyment.
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Date: 2008-12-02 07:52 pm (UTC)And you are absolutely right about the marketing part.
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Date: 2008-12-02 06:52 pm (UTC)Also, I sincerely doubt any original work I might write would be published, and I frankly can't take even the idea of such mass rejection... I'm a wimp that way.
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Date: 2008-12-02 07:56 pm (UTC)I think writers who are fanficcers only have different kinds of pressures and problems. I'll admit - and it's a bad attitude for me to have - that I'm "looser" with my fanfic. I'm sloppy? Sometimes I think it gives me more freedom in fanfic and I'm too rigide with my original stuff, but still. It means the product that I post online is normally not my very very very best. I think people who are seriously dedicated to fanfic in the same way profic authors are dedicated to original fic must go insane when they see stuff that is sloppy hits the internet.
I'm not saying this is you. But if it were me, I would get annoyed. Heck, I get annoyed when I do it myself LOL
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Date: 2008-12-02 06:54 pm (UTC)It's done for the love of the show and fun of the craft. It's a way to join in with a whole sea of writers and include your stories into the vast ocean of fanfics for a show. You're one of the writers who give reading pleasure to many all for the satisfaction of accomplishment, a pat on the back and knowing you're part of something much bigger.
If you were a professional writer who wrote tons of books, that would be your job, your livelihood. If you wrote fanfic on the side, that would be something fun to do. Fanfic doesn't put the same demands on a person that 'more serious' writing does even though just as much work and sweat goes into a story.
In some ways, I think fanfic gives a writer more of a headstart, perhaps even a leeway, than an independent story ever could. The characters and setup are already established. You're only limited by your imagination and the show itself. An independent story means you establish the setting, the characters, the storyline and you basically lead the reader through something new. Fanfic assumes that the reader is already acquainted with the entire setup. No leading of that particular sort would be necessary.
I also think that writing fanfic is a great way to learn how to communicate more effectively. That can't ever be a waste of time. It's fun, it's a hobby, and it creates a bridge between your imagination and someone else's. You're sharing a part of yourself with the reader. A connection forms when someone reads what you wrote, what you put your heart and soul into, just as it does when we read a great novel.
I think it all comes down to the fact that you have a story to tell, and there are those who want to hear it. Fanfic is a great way to do that.
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Date: 2008-12-02 08:12 pm (UTC)Absolutely. I never question that aspect of it. Writing is writing. Any writing is good. Just like reading is reading.
I still think that for some people it can be a crutch or it can be a saftey net, which you know I've been concerned about for a very long time.
For me, at least, I'm trying to navigate through what part of my block is psychological or due to real life concerns. If I throw all my energies into fanfic, then there is no balance there. I'm still trying to discover that balance.
If you were a professional writer who wrote tons of books, that would be your job, your livelihood. If you wrote fanfic on the side, that would be something fun to do. Fanfic doesn't put the same demands on a person that 'more serious' writing does even though just as much work and sweat goes into a story.
To be honest, this is a concern of mine. I wonder if I am runnign from the demands. Hmm.
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Date: 2008-12-02 07:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-02 07:57 pm (UTC)It totally should be fun :)
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Date: 2008-12-02 07:30 pm (UTC)Fan fic does different things for me than it does for you, because I'm not a profic writer. I write fan fiction and I write literary analysis and theory, and pretty much nothing else. Those two kinds of writing are so different, so far removed from each other that for me, fan fic is an outlet for play. I can experiment and play in ways that I can't do in academic writing. For me too, fan fic has made me a better writer, even academically.
When you write fan fic, do you start thinking of profic? In other words, do ideas for profic come to you when you're writing fan fic? I don't mean ideas in the form of "how can I use this as profic instead," but more generalized stuff.
This happens to me with academic writing. I'll be writing about something, and then suddenly, from nowhere ostensibly, an idea for fan fic pops into my head. There's something about just writing that stimulates the creative centers of my brain. If that makes sense. I'm wondering if this is just me, or if you experience it too.
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Date: 2008-12-02 08:07 pm (UTC)When you write fan fic, do you start thinking of profic? In other words, do ideas for profic come to you when you're writing fan fic? I don't mean ideas in the form of "how can I use this as profic instead," but more generalized stuff.
To be honest, everything makes think of profic. I watch TV, profic. I watch a movie, profic. I play a video game, profic. Music, fanfic, everything. My world centers on writing.
But yes, ideas are always propping up, even as I write fanfic. However, it's more in the vein of "how can I use it for profic." Not because I'm trying to force something that shouldn't. It's just I'll have an idea and then go, oh! Wait, this could work even better as profic. Or sometimes I will write a fanfic knowing I want to use the idea for profic, but the fanfic is for fun and to let me try out ideas to see if it could work later as something else.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
Academic and creative writing are very different. I mean, both require creativity, just different forms. I can testify that I was the most creative when I was writing my MA thesis. Writing begets writing. I totally agree with you there. And for me, academics begets writing. Though, not the stuff I am studying right now LOL
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Date: 2008-12-02 07:32 pm (UTC)Because of this, I would suggest that for your own personal mental health, it probably doesn't matter so much what you're writing (or for what reasons) as long as you are, in fact, writing. Anything that gets in the way of that is an unhealthy obstacle.
It seems to me that if there is some reason you're resisting writing profic at any point in time (and I don't think you really need to understand the reasons why, just be aware that it's not flowing), you may need to write something else for a while until you're ready to go back to it. OTOH, if the profic is going well, you should stick with it, since that is where you want your success to come.
Just my thoughts, for what they're worth...
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Date: 2008-12-02 08:00 pm (UTC)I don't think that is the SOLE reason, though, and a year ago or so I was writing both fanfic and original fic and actively working or schooling. So I'm starting to think fanfic isn't stopping me, but I use it as an excuse.
I just have to figure out what my issues are. I may be boxing myself in with expectations that are too high for myself (in profic) which is stopping me in my tracks.
In short, I have to learn to relax LOL
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Date: 2008-12-02 08:33 pm (UTC)I write fanfic because it satisfies my need to know, to see the scene unfold for myself. It scratches a certain itch that the show started and the neglected.
I suppose you could categorize me as aspiring writer. I write mostly originals now, in hopes something will be good enough to get published.
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Date: 2008-12-04 03:16 pm (UTC)I don't write to fix things or to add something left out of canon. Therefore, you'll find I don't write many codas. it's not my goal.
I did quite a few in SG-1 fandom because I found Sg-1 lacking in some ways, but in SG-1 fandom i also wrote a lot of stand alones. EVen novels. It wasn't because I was out to fix something or address an inadequency, but because I wanted to tell a story.
SPN is a bit different in that I feel satisfied with nearly every episode, so I even have less of a need to write codas.
I wouldn't say I wrote for recognition either. But I am human and I would say it's part of it. There is no denying it. I like feedback. I like knowing people enjoyed the story I managed to weave together. I like to know that I've made someone laugh or cry. I feel like I'm giving something and it makes me feel good when I touch people, you know?
But I mainly write to tell a story. I want to tell stories. So that is true of profic or fanfic.
I think it's awesome that you write original stuff. Once you hit the write publisher, you'll be all set :)
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Date: 2008-12-02 08:53 pm (UTC)Perhaps you need to feel the same love for your original creations that you feel for the borrowed ones. With fanfic, you're a few steps removed from the creation process of the setting, characters and situations that are inherent with those characters and settings.
It's interesting-I think a day or so ago, one of the writers on my flist mentioned writing fanfiction based on her own stuff! At first I thought that was amusing, but then I realized, yeah, why the heck not? There's no pressure. You like the characters. It's not work, it's *for fun only*. And it has the added benefit of adding to the background of your own created 'verse and characters.
I think professionalism has been drained of the fun factor for many people. The perception is, oh darn, once I've made it (IF you've made it) you've got all sorts of crap to deal with publishers and bookstores and and and... I think that's a load of crap. That's self-defeating. If you read pro writer blogs, gee, they get to make time to go to conventions, contact other writers, have some fun, live a creative inner life that I don't think many people take advantage in their own heads...so what if it doesn't support you like it used to support writers back in the "good olde days"?
Anyhow. Write a few short fan fics, character stuff. Play with situations. Play with settings. Mix them up with your original characters. Then jump off from there with your own purely original fiction. Use fanfic as a warm-up, as a constructive force. You shouldn't have to give up what you love in order to do another thing that you love (although there is not enough time in the day). I think it's a question of weaving it into your original writing routine, perhaps.
Okay, done with this novel. Then I have to finish my homework.
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Date: 2008-12-02 09:15 pm (UTC)But I *HAVE* to write like right now or I'll make excuses. I have deadlines.
*must make this more fun*
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Date: 2008-12-02 10:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-04 03:37 pm (UTC)Now that I am in a graduate eductaion program, my writing is almost nonexistent. Could the topic be part of the problem?
I keep telling myself, just two more classes. Just two more classes!
I'm not sure that is true though LOL
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Date: 2008-12-02 10:44 pm (UTC)However I come back to fanfic a lot. To me it's the only thing I read for relaxation. Books I read for research--what publisher is buying what, what are they looking for in this line or that. I don't enjoy books as much anymore because my inner editor is always critiquing. There is no market for fanfic; no editors. I don't expect perfection in grammar and structure. I'm free to enjoy it! And I revitalize my love of original writing by reading fanfic.
I'd say if you still get satisfaction and enjoyment from writing fanfic, then make time for both. The simple enjoyment it brings makes it worth it.
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Date: 2008-12-04 03:40 pm (UTC)I think I'm in transition. I think the fanfic gives me an escape into something I can finish RIGHT NOW where my original stuff is still in the kaborous pre-writing stage of conception. Most of my worlds are only half formed. My ideas are beign tweaked. it's part of that mental stage where everything is coming together.
Does that make sense? It does to me LOL
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Date: 2008-12-02 10:50 pm (UTC)I know what you mean about feedback. I'd definitely like more of it myself. But oh, well. I guess that's how it goes.
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Date: 2008-12-04 03:20 pm (UTC)With profic, you don't know. You could judge by sales, but that isn't a hard and fast indicator.
I think it comes down to motivation. If you are using fanfic as a way to validate yourself, then it's probably a crutch. If you do it for the sheer love and joy it brings, then it's not a problem.
As long as it doesn't take from your original fic goals, it shouldn't hurt. :)
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Date: 2008-12-02 11:55 pm (UTC)Basically, I have the same problem. I want my focus to be on original work, but fan fiction is very distracting. Fan fic is easier, because not as much is riding on it. At least that's been my personal experience. I obsess over my original stuff and want it to be perfect, whereas I eventually become satisfied with fan fics because they aren't "serious". That's not the word I want to use, because I take everything I write seriously, but it's close enough for government work. There's no pressure to write for fandom, but there is pressure to create for myself as well as I can, and that seems daunting sometimes. I don't know if you feel that way necessarily or not, but I think that's my major malfunction, LOL!
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Date: 2008-12-03 12:01 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2008-12-03 01:01 am (UTC)For me as a reader and writer, I feel that I get many (pleasurable) feelings from it. In reading, it's an escapism from mental doom of a monotonous existence. If we're being serious. ;) As a writer the feeling I get is -- satisfaction. I love the feeling I get when I write a particularly funny line or I write a paragraph that screams SUCCESS!
But I also get despondent when I lack feedback, it's not me being a review whore (Apologise for the language) I geniunely enjoy/need the feedback. If I'm truly honest, I've always had problems with my English (It's no secret that I was special needs) so I seek the approval of my fellow writers/readers to validate my improvement. Shallow, I know and it's that shallowness that makes it hard for me to be a fic writer.
But would I give it up? Never. It feeds my imagination, it comforts me and allows me to create in ways I never thought possible. I do have the intention of being a writer eventually, but I'm young(-ish) and I think this is helpful prep. (but not gospel)
So what I'm saying is; do what you love, otherwise you'll never be happy. Don't force the original work because it's like a dog, it will never come if you call it. :)
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Date: 2008-12-04 03:11 pm (UTC)This is very true. I am on a deadline though so...I have to think of something ;)
I think people who claim that feedback is NEVER a part of it are probably lying. Maybe there are a few out there you truly don't need or want feedback, but I think it's human nature to feel wanted, loved, and appreciated. That is why I am always honest with myself. I like feedback. I like knowing my stories have moved people, touched people, made them laugh or cry, or just gave them a good time. it's not my goal or the center of my world, though.
Still, I think we all get disappointed when we write something we feel is amazing but gets ignored. Again, it's being human :)
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Date: 2008-12-03 01:22 am (UTC)My writing for publication is totally different: I'm an academic. Still, even though in some ways they're different skill sets, the two kinds of writing have a lot in common. I think writing anything helps me with my style (which tends towards the ponderous, as you may have noticed!).
I also try to work on different things in different stories. I try different points of view, even writing a couple of stories in first person; I've also played around with writing for head-injured Daniel, which was fun for me (and maybe a little therapeutic, because I remember much of my concussion, just not the first hour or so). I'm trying to do better at description, and especially description of action; I see everything in my head, but I tend only to write the dialogue. I figure if I ever do write original fiction, my skills will be that much better when I start! I imagine you continue to hone your skills in fanfic.
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Date: 2008-12-04 03:07 pm (UTC)Incidentally, I was the most creative when I was writing my thesis. I'm taking classes now, but these classes are having the adverse affect on me. It's weird.
I firmly believe in fanfic. I get in trouble sometimes when I critize it though since I think it's as harmless as it is beneficial. But that is a different more controversial topic ;)
You totally learn to hone your skills while writing fanfic. I'm...seriously I'm leaps and bounds over what I was prior to writing fanfic. However, fanfic writing has a preset universe built in. You focus mostly on getting the characters right - well some people do - and therefore you can lose the ability to write narrative from the ground up. That is the trade off and it takes work to retrain yourelf to do that.
In short, all kinds of writing have their advantages and disadvantages. Business writing taught me how to be concise and to the point. Academic writing showed me how to create and argue a point of view with evidence. Fanfic showed me how to grab onto character and dialogue. Original writing teaches me how to create worlds and narrative.
It's a matter of what you take out of it.
Hello there tangent LOL
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Date: 2008-12-03 06:01 am (UTC)Really, this is more a question of personal gratification and balance work. You have to do what makes you happy - and it has to feel RIGHT. I'm afraid there really are no answers, but the ones you set for yourself...
*Smishes*
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Date: 2008-12-04 03:00 pm (UTC)Fanfic for me should totaly be the reward. It means I have to committ myself to actually stop putting off my original stuff ;)
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Date: 2008-12-03 05:46 pm (UTC)But I will also mention that some writers will write an official novel based off of something. Look at all the Star Wars/Star Trek books. I'm not saying that's the same as "fanfic" but it's similar in that you're putting effort into writing in someone else's world.
Right now, I'm reading the Death Note novel that was penned by someone other than the author of the manga series. It covers an event that is only mentioned in the main series. Could the author just as eailsy put all the effort in and put the story online? Sure. But it's "official" and the guy got paid.
So I guess my overall point is write your own stories, but don't give up on writing fanfic, because you could also find situations where you could get paid to write something official in another author's world, and it's good practice for that.
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Date: 2008-12-04 02:58 pm (UTC)That is a very good point. And honestly, I wouldn't be adverse to it.
I've been writing since I was a kid. I would write my own fiction back then. I started writing fanfic only when I was a teenager (for Star Wars) and it was a great practice on novel writing. This was prior to the prequels coming out so it was just me and my imagination. I was still writing original fic too, but I just never finished anything and the stuff I did finish I didn't submit anywhere.
I wrote fanfic through my 20s. It took me a while to get the courage to write my own stuff and actually finish it and submit it. So for the past 2-3 years I've been writing to actively publish. Letting go of fanfic has been part of the process. it's weird to explain LOL
But thanks for the tips :)
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Date: 2008-12-07 11:45 pm (UTC)There you go.