3. "Forced" canon. When I describe forced, I am talking about from a writing point of view. This has nothing to do with subtly or subtext. And this has nothing to do with whose ship is more valid or better, which you unintentionally seemed in imply with the Sam/Daniel remark.
Oooh, no, that's not what I meant at all. Sorry, I probably stated that badly. I merely meant that things like the Sam/Jack relationship in other realities were obvious and undeniably canon facts that would necessarily ratchet up the potential UST of the Sam and Jack in our realities being forced to look at each other with that knowledge now in their minds, and that had to have been knowingly done by TPTB for whatever reasons. Whereas nothing that blatent had been done in canon with Sam/Daniel to lead the average viewer toward a 'shippy frame of mind, and any 'ship there had remained much more in the subtext realm and not been moved into canon.
I come from a school of thought where I believe you just let the characters be who they are and things will fall into place. When the writers' create scenarios to try to jack up the drama, it can come off really poorly.
I agree with this entirely, and as I said over on GS, I have certainly seen this happen on other shows where I groan and headdesk when I see the creators take the cheesy cliche route and arrange the requisite "sexual tension" between the convenient male and female leads of a show that really shouldn't have been focusing on that at all, but they've obvious "plugged this in" because if you have sexual tension you get better ratings...*sigh*....
Why introduce Kerry? Why introduce Pete? It was a way to create more drama for Jack and Sam and I didn't think that was a good move.
I do agree that it became too much. I liked more of it than you did, because these characters are my favorite storyline, so it was fun to indulge for a bit, but I was glad to back away and get back to the center of the show when it was over. I much prefer these things to grow naturally out of the main storyline.
I liked Pete, don't get me wrong, and I don't mind the characters *having" lives. I'm very much a romantic at heart.
Which is, I think, why we tend to get along.*g*
But I don't tune into a show like this to watch the characters go on dates and stuff.
On an utterly irrelvant to the topic note -- I have to say that everytime I heard a rabid S/J fan yell that they thought they absolutely deserved to see as much blatent S/J 'ship (date, dancing, wall sex, afterglow) as they saw with Pete once this was all over, I ran screaming and flailing from the room. S/J is my world, but DEAR GOD IF I EVER SEE THAT ON SCREEN----AAAAHHH, MY EYES!!!! NOOO!!!! Soooo wrong for this show.;)
I felt that time could have been spent in showing us Sam and Jack doing something else. Instead, I found all this orchestrated angst. If they wanted Sam and Jack to angst over each other, I think they could have found an idea that fit better into the overall plot. It just sort of was an aside.
Yes, I do agree with you. I tended to forgive some sloppy writing and take out of it what I get off on, but from a rational point of view, I very much agree with you.
it's just a couple of things you said made me sad.
I hope this reply helped that a bit. I don't want you sad!!!
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Date: 2006-08-02 03:34 pm (UTC)Oooh, no, that's not what I meant at all. Sorry, I probably stated that badly. I merely meant that things like the Sam/Jack relationship in other realities were obvious and undeniably canon facts that would necessarily ratchet up the potential UST of the Sam and Jack in our realities being forced to look at each other with that knowledge now in their minds, and that had to have been knowingly done by TPTB for whatever reasons. Whereas nothing that blatent had been done in canon with Sam/Daniel to lead the average viewer toward a 'shippy frame of mind, and any 'ship there had remained much more in the subtext realm and not been moved into canon.
I come from a school of thought where I believe you just let the characters be who they are and things will fall into place. When the writers' create scenarios to try to jack up the drama, it can come off really poorly.
I agree with this entirely, and as I said over on GS, I have certainly seen this happen on other shows where I groan and headdesk when I see the creators take the cheesy cliche route and arrange the requisite "sexual tension" between the convenient male and female leads of a show that really shouldn't have been focusing on that at all, but they've obvious "plugged this in" because if you have sexual tension you get better ratings...*sigh*....
Why introduce Kerry? Why introduce Pete? It was a way to create more drama for Jack and Sam and I didn't think that was a good move.
I do agree that it became too much. I liked more of it than you did, because these characters are my favorite storyline, so it was fun to indulge for a bit, but I was glad to back away and get back to the center of the show when it was over. I much prefer these things to grow naturally out of the main storyline.
I liked Pete, don't get me wrong, and I don't mind the characters *having" lives. I'm very much a romantic at heart.
Which is, I think, why we tend to get along.*g*
But I don't tune into a show like this to watch the characters go on dates and stuff.
On an utterly irrelvant to the topic note -- I have to say that everytime I heard a rabid S/J fan yell that they thought they absolutely deserved to see as much blatent S/J 'ship (date, dancing, wall sex, afterglow) as they saw with Pete once this was all over, I ran screaming and flailing from the room. S/J is my world, but DEAR GOD IF I EVER SEE THAT ON SCREEN----AAAAHHH, MY EYES!!!! NOOO!!!! Soooo wrong for this show.;)
I felt that time could have been spent in showing us Sam and Jack doing something else. Instead, I found all this orchestrated angst. If they wanted Sam and Jack to angst over each other, I think they could have found an idea that fit better into the overall plot. It just sort of was an aside.
Yes, I do agree with you. I tended to forgive some sloppy writing and take out of it what I get off on, but from a rational point of view, I very much agree with you.
it's just a couple of things you said made me sad.
I hope this reply helped that a bit. I don't want you sad!!!