SPN Question #2

[moonshayde]

My previous question was in another post. This question, however, is based on the premise/part of the blurb describing next week's episode, so if you consider that spoilery don't click. Something about it has been nagging at me and I wanted to discuss with anyone interested.

Please be careful with spoilers in the comments. I really only want to discuss this aspect.



The official description for next week's episode seems to imply that if Dean dies of the sickness he will go back to Hell. When I read this, I got very excited. I was already invested in the premise of the episode to begin with, but this made it even better.

I went out to the fandom to see some spec and to see if anyone was as excited as I was. I was surprised to find most people were livid at the possibility Dean could go back to Hell upon death.

I don't quite understand the sentiment. At this point in time, we don't know if Dean's contract is still in effect. Castiel pulled Dean out of Hell. We haven't been told whether that act was a deal breaker or just a temporary fix. The way logic is working in my mind is that Dean was pulled out and is therefore "stolen property." He never was able to break the contract. If he dies, it would make sense it would go straight back to Hell. Even in Mystery Spot, when he "died" before his year was up, it was implied in the Sam/Trickster sequences that Dean went to Hell. We don't know if that was true or not, but if it was, his year wasn't even up at that point and he still went to Hell because of the deal.

But I have seen other spec on this that could also work. If Dean is suffering from panic and fear in this episode, he could think he was going back to Hell. That fear would be very real. He could come to believe that if he dies he will go back to Hell and that could be his worst fear. So that makes sense too.

But as much as the second option is plausible and interesting, I will be disappointed if it happens. I think there is much more drama and tension in the first option.

But I don't know. I feel very alone LOL

Am I the only one that hopes that upon death Dean would go back to Hell? I don't mean permanently for the series, but it adds more to this season, imo. If Sam and Dean have that constant threat hnaging over their heads, they will have to be more careful. Sam might be more tempted to use his powers to protect Dean or stop Dean from dying. They would also want to find some way to permanently break the deal. Sam could have even more focus on going after Lilith. There are a lot of possibilities. There would be that constant real threat over them. Plus, it would mean that the angel pulls Dean out of Hell wasn't a quick and tiddy fix. And it would give more weight to the angels using him for their purposes.

I'm not going to have a mental breakdown or outrage if it doesn't happen. I just feel like I'm the only one intrigued by the idea. Everyone I've seen is cursing Kripke out for the possibility and are livid.

Comments

[lizardbeth-j.livejournal.com]

*stands over there with you* :) Now, I will say that I am not as invested as some fans, so y'know, that may have something to do with it. But I think it would've been fair to spin it either way: (1) Dean's removal broke the contract by divine fiat (what many fans believe, I guess, from what you're saying), or (2) Dean's contract is only in temporary abeyance because of divine intervention. IIRC, the contract was "resurrect Sam, one year of life, and Hell FOREVER." So it makes sense that getting pulled out wouldn't necessarily break it. After all, if there's free will in the SPN-verse, then people also have to accept the consequences of their (bad, dumb) choices.

And narratively, yes, it makes more sense to keep that threat hanging over them, rather than letting Dean's slate be wiped clean. Because then they both want something.

Gotta say the idea of Dean getting killed on some routine hunt and Castiel having troop back down to Hell and pull him out AGAIN, is kind of funny to me. I'm possibly not taking this seriously enough. ;)

[a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com]

Haven't read this post - but I did stop by to give you a *smish*

[lion-x3.livejournal.com]

so this has nothing to do with your post(although I did read it and I agree with you. Dean going back to Hell would be good for the series.) but...

is there some place where you post your Supernatural icons or any of your icons for that matter? I love them. :) And I will give you credit :D

[jedishadowolf.livejournal.com]

I can easily see going back to hell being Dean's greatest fear at this point...no, second greatest fear. Sam getting his evil on is still his greatest fear in my mind. But going back would not be a happy thing. Yet I don't remember the crossroads demon saying anything about him being in hell for all eternity, so in my way of thinking the contract's been paid. He went to hell, he's suffered - Casteil got him out with the big get out of jail card, he shouldn't have to worry about it.

Now I could be incorrect in what the deal was, but seems to me Dean really shouldn't have to worry about this. No matter how they play it so long as I get to watch Sam and Dean I'll be happy. They'll do a top notch story no matter what and that's what makes this show so dang cool!

[louisiane-fille.livejournal.com]

See, I kinda think Castiel taking him out of hell broke the deal. I mean, pulled him out to do God's work? I seriously doubt God would let him go back to Hell when he does (eventually) die.

I mean, papa Winchester made a deal, and he escaped from Hell when the boys opened the Devil's Gate at the end of Season 2. He didn't go back to Hell. In the latest issue of Supernatural magazine, Sera Gamble says John "went on to a better place". (I'm paraphrasing, but still!) John got out and his deal was still in effect, basically.

So I would think the same thing applies to Dean. He got out, they can't take him back. If they could, surely the Hellhounds would have already tried?

[gembat.livejournal.com]

I haven't read much about the episode, but I won't be surprised if they don't deal with this topic at all in it. Of course, this is from not knowing anything about what happens in the episode, just from reading a few different descriptions, so... take that as you will?

And anyways, if his contract was in effect forever (and we're still believing Ruby's intel), wouldn't that mean that when people went to hell and became demons, they would be required to stay there forever? I think this is part of the reason John got to stay out when he left: the details of the contract are that you get sent to hell. If you can claw your way out, great, you're free until someone either sends you back (as a demon), or you move on to magical purgatory land or heaven (if you're a spirit). These are my deep thoughts; I'll be fine with it if it goes either way, I just think Dean's contract has been fulfilled. *shrug*